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    November 13, 2007

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    John,

    Can you elaborate on what you mean by "restore confidence in the supremacy of Christ over all things" in relationship to trusting church leaders?

    My wife and I have been part of a congregation since last January and while we try to assume the best and we do not particularly distrust the leadership, we do not know any of them well enough yet to particularly trust them any more than anyone else.

    I don't mean that we think that they are stealing from the offering plate or soliciting prostitutes or anything, but their voice carries no more authority than anyone else's in our lives and in many cases carries much less. I would hope that as time goes by we would be able to say that we do indeed trust them.

    In our case we have been a part of this church for a relatively short period of time, but I am sure this is not the case for others who still feel their leadership has not earned the right to be trusted.

    Do you think that part of the problem may be that meny leaders still expect people to trust them on the basis of their title despite the fact that experience shows that not only does a title not guarantee one's trustworthiness, but sadly the aspirations for a title often are an indicator of the contrary?

    I think as long as leaders in the Church continue to separate themselves from the congregation and expect trust based upon their sermons, title, programs, ect. they will not only be unable to inside peoples' trust but be unworthy of any real level of trust.

    Yes, please explain. What about this will cause opposition? Are you equating restoring confidence in the supremacy of Christ over all things with confidence in the leadership?

    To George C
    "I think as long as leaders in the Church continue to separate themselves from the congregation and expect trust based upon their sermons, title, programs, ect. they will not only be unable to inside peoples' trust but be unworthy of any real level of trust."

    Very well said.

    I agree with George's observation totally. Leadership in the modern age and church seeks power through titles and programs, not through biblical servanthood (an overworked term now that equates to management techniques in most minds).

    Both leaders and people must work to restore confidence in Christ's supremacy which means no one wins in struggles and all seek to submit to Christ, as revealed in so much of the New Testament in the epistles. So much of the New Testament is about relationships, and not theology proper, that this emphasis is striking in contrast to what we do in most churches. Liberal churches have little confidence in the Christ revealed in Scripture and conservative ones stress the doctrine of Christ without submitting to his will in regard to "one another." The end result is the modern chaos both of you eloquently acknowledge in your comments.

    Thanks for clearing that up John.

    You might be interested in checking out a book by Frank Viola called "Who Is Your Covering?". It is a supplement to his book "Rethinking The Wineskin". I thought that both were great when I read them a few years ago.

    I think that the lack of community prayer (within a church, not the geography) has a role in this. When I have been a part of a community that has sought God on a matter publicly through prayer and then has really tried to listen, the community seems to follow because there is a sense of following God and not the leader. But too often prayer at leadership meetings is a form of opening the meeting, not an actually petition to God for direction. I think that what often happens is that people are tired of following fallen leaders, so they equate mistrust of the fallenness to mistrust in God. In the end, that lack of willingness to follow God often moves people much further away from God.

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